I simply want to know the difference between the safe 5 and newer T models. It is not listed on their site for comparison. I am leaning toward purchasing the 5. Can someone help? Thanks
Main difference, Trezor Safe 5 (TS5) has a secure element. Model T doesn’t.
Why is that important? If someone steals it, its impossible to crack. So its a physical security feature.
With the Model T, it’s technical crackable if you have the right equipment and expertise.
Secondary difference, the TS5 has a flat surface, so no dust can get caught in the corners of the screen.
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Thank you. One other question. The website says that the trezor suite supports mac OS 10.15 but the download says only MacOS 11 and won’t install. I do not have a new MAC Am i out of luck?
Where deos it say MacOS 11?
What version of MacOS do you have?
MacOS 10.15 is the minimum version.
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Thank you but it works now, It said it (11) on the install splash screen.
Another dumb question if you don’t mind. I fudged a pin entry and lost a count (16 left) Can that countdown ever be reset if it gets too low?
It will reset after a successful PIN entry.
After 16 tries the device will wipe itself.
Hi @Bobby1,
If the device wipes itself after the 16 incorrect attempts you can access your wallet only by performing the recovery process with your wallet backup (recovery seed) as described at Recovery process for the Trezor Safe 5.
hello @sime
is it crackable even one is using the Passphase to access wallet?
Thanks
Passphrases cannot be cracked as they are not stored on the device.
@sime in that case what can be cracked? I dont get it … could you please elaborate a bit more on that?
What is a benefit of that additional security element in case one is using passphrase (as recommended)
Thanks
A wallet with only PIN protection and no passphrase is vulnerable to this attack. Because everything the attacker needs on stored on the device. i.e. the seed phrase.
You can never guarantee a secure element is perfectly safe. In the case someone finds a way to crack the secure element, your funds would be still safe.
@sime
okay to put it more simple… in case i use Trezor T + passphrase … i am perfectly safe… even more than with trezor safe5 without passphrase,
correct?
thanks
Sorry but there’s no “simple” about this, you are deep in the weeds now 
What “perfectly safe” means depends on your threat model – that is, what kinds of events are you worried about?
If a regular thief steals your Trezor T with a 6-digit PIN and no passphrase, they are not going to get in. They’d have to (a) guess that it’s 6 digits, not 4 or any other number, and then (b) get 16-in-1,000,000 lucky. Practically speaking, they’re going to throw it in the trash.
Your regular thief will not run the Kraken hack to get your seed out. That’s not a thing that happens in the real world.
If a regular thief steals your seed phrase, and you are using passphrase, you are still safe. In this way, passphrase is much stronger protection than any PIN or a secure element.
Buuuuuut if you forget your passphrase – and that can happen tomorrow when you slip and bump your head – then your funds are Gone Forever. And if you write the passphrase down somewhere, it can also be stolen.
So which is it gonna be? That is completely up to you.
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@matejcik
well the original question was regarding the extra protection in safe 5 comparing to T.
In both cases even if u use trezor w/out passphrase and the seed is stolen - you have issue.
In both cases if u use trezor with passphase and you lost it - you have issue.
So what is extra beneficiary protection of Safe 5 versus T/One?
If you use for example crypto tag to backup seed, and you dont wanna split seed between multiple parties - you have to use passhprase to be protected.
In case you use seed+passphrase and pin in that case i believe it doesnt matter if u you use Safe 5 or T/One.
Or do i miss something?
i dont think this is true, there were Hacks / cracks of the trezor where owner forget the PIN i think, and i believe thats where @sime pointed out.
Sorry, I’m confused by this sentence. Are you describing the loosing of your passphrase or the theft of a trezor that uses a passphrase.
@sime
no, I was saying that in case you use Seed+Passphase you are 100% safe, in case someone physically get you trezor; they wont be able to crack it.
@matejcik injected here scenario that theft will steal passphrase or you forget it.
As I said, in case you dont want to split seed between multiple parties to be fully protected before physical theft/lose of the trezor you have to “protect /backup the passphrase” - which is okay…
My initial question was … assume you have Trezor with PIN+Passphrase ; even someone get it physically they wont be able to track it, doesnt matter if its One, T, Safe 5.
In case you use Terzor with PIN only; in that case One/ T might be cracked, and Safe 5 cant?
also here at the forum thread … trezors-comparison-missing-t-model/20253/
its mentioned that Trezor T is discontinued, which mean there is no point to buy it as its possible there wont be updates for it?
The One mode wasnt discontinued as i understand it properly as its still part of the comparison.
Yes, it is doable technically, e.g., if you forget the PIN and look for a professional to help you.
What I’m pointing out is that the kind of person who breaks into houses for a living does NOT have this skill. They’ll sell your flat screen TV, but they won’t run sophisticated hardware hacks.
Basically this, yeah.
You could also say that even if you do use passphrase, you don’t want an attacker to get your seed phrase; if they have it, they can try to brute-force the passphrase. (If your passphrase is “hello123”, it’s gonna break in seconds.) So a TS5 would help you here too, because the attacker won’t be able to get the seed phrase out.
But if the passphrase is strong, this would not be a concern.
these are extremely wrong / pointless assumptions… sorry, i believe we are discussing that on trezor io forum … you can lost it at the airport and in case someone find it and understand - can pay the expert etc / or find that guy might be his friend etc.
assuming the concept of the passphrase is here - but skilled individual wont use hello123 as a passphrase… so still i dont see how TS5 will help.
but thanks…
my worst concern is that T mode is not part of the comparison, and someone said discontinued… so the question would be if there firmware update wont stop soon.
anyone any idea here regarding the security and T model support?